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Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B (UPDATE 2016)
Re: Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B
So a big update need as I haven’t really done one since JAE, so in short the Sol was still not running right after JAE and continue to throw up some blanks on all the checks we had done whilst the engine was out the second time when we made some more changes. So I took the option to take it to a friend’s garage in Middlesbrough (Evil Tuning) to get it plugged up and on the dyno to see if that could tell us what was wrong. And it did
So firth thing to tackle was the ignition timing as the H2B conversion removes the timing marks completely so no pints to time against on the gearbox as the conversion uses a ITR flywheel and the H22 does not have timing marks on the crank pulley like the B16 so there was nothing to check the timing on. Luckily Pete (Evil Tuning) put his thinking cap on and devised a way to add the timing marks correctly to the Euro R crank pulley.
Whilst doing this it became quickly apparent why when fully advanced it wanted 8 degrees more. A tooth had slipped at some point during the swaps and testing or more likely we did it fking wrong and why when we checked the 2nd time we did not see this is beyond me so pfffff.
So as the fit is so tight in this and the car was no longer in our garage the only way to get the cambelt is to pull the engine out and we needed to find a way to do it without doing that so the thinking caps came on again and we decided to try and more the gear a tooth over whilst in the car. To do this we secured the belt to the correctly aligned gear and then removed the cam securing brackets on the out of line cam and tilted it towards the belt form the opposite end so it barely kept in contact with the belt and after some fiddling Pete managed to get it to slip a tooth back
So once that was done it was put back together and the timing was setup using the newly fitted marks and it worked spot on.
So it went onto the dyno for more runs than Pete or the Sol probably liked as he had it nearly 2 weeks and tuned the hell out of it to get it all bang on and it made 239.6 bhp on the most accurate run and setup. To say I was over the moon is an understatement
IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/ ... g~original[/IMG]
Against a tuned S2000
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https://youtu.be/8MeClWeaRPQ
The results are good as the engine is bone stock other than a CAI and the butterfly’s removed from the intake. The flat spot you hear on this particular video is the wheels spinning on the dyno
Also had a new exhaust system fitted at the backend of the summer which looks great however I am not so keen on the sound to be honest it has an annoying rasp at 2.8k and that bugs the hell out of me. This is a full 2.5 system from the PLM header to the back box.
Shot of the CIA
I have also got the sol some new boots as traction on the ITR 15” wheels is now a problem, so I got some Wedssport SA90’s 16” 8J unfortunately they came with 225 50 16 tyres that were way to big for the sol and I am waiting for my new Hankook tyres to turn up so I can get them fitted. I have gone for 215 40 16 after a test fit proved they were the best solution. The fit is very tight and the spacers were no longer required as when they were on it looked like the A-Team van lol
Spacer off lol
Some decent sized rubber on one of the rims to test fit as the other tyres were just huge ( had been on a Skyline before).
Really that’s all there is for now the next thing to fit is the electric power steering as I cannot live without on the sol it’s a nightmare to be honest. So I have a saxo/107 electric pump and need to find space to fit it and plumb it in so that’s one for the summer when its warmer.
Oh wait we did some flow tests on a OEM ATR inlet against a bored out OEM H22A inlet manifold with a plenum plate in place to see what the flow rate differences were and the stock H22A with the plenum in flowed much better and more air when compaired to the ATR intake, so if anyone is looking to upgrade from our tests the OEM intake with a bit of work is much better. Please don’t ask me a lot of technical stuff on this as it was a couple of month ago and honestly I have forgotten as this is not an area I understand greatly if I can find the flow rates and details I will post the for anyone interested.
So firth thing to tackle was the ignition timing as the H2B conversion removes the timing marks completely so no pints to time against on the gearbox as the conversion uses a ITR flywheel and the H22 does not have timing marks on the crank pulley like the B16 so there was nothing to check the timing on. Luckily Pete (Evil Tuning) put his thinking cap on and devised a way to add the timing marks correctly to the Euro R crank pulley.
Whilst doing this it became quickly apparent why when fully advanced it wanted 8 degrees more. A tooth had slipped at some point during the swaps and testing or more likely we did it fking wrong and why when we checked the 2nd time we did not see this is beyond me so pfffff.
So as the fit is so tight in this and the car was no longer in our garage the only way to get the cambelt is to pull the engine out and we needed to find a way to do it without doing that so the thinking caps came on again and we decided to try and more the gear a tooth over whilst in the car. To do this we secured the belt to the correctly aligned gear and then removed the cam securing brackets on the out of line cam and tilted it towards the belt form the opposite end so it barely kept in contact with the belt and after some fiddling Pete managed to get it to slip a tooth back
So once that was done it was put back together and the timing was setup using the newly fitted marks and it worked spot on.
So it went onto the dyno for more runs than Pete or the Sol probably liked as he had it nearly 2 weeks and tuned the hell out of it to get it all bang on and it made 239.6 bhp on the most accurate run and setup. To say I was over the moon is an understatement
IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/ ... g~original[/IMG]
Against a tuned S2000
...::VIDEO::....
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8MeClWeaRPQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
[youtube][/youtube]
https://youtu.be/8MeClWeaRPQ
The results are good as the engine is bone stock other than a CAI and the butterfly’s removed from the intake. The flat spot you hear on this particular video is the wheels spinning on the dyno
Also had a new exhaust system fitted at the backend of the summer which looks great however I am not so keen on the sound to be honest it has an annoying rasp at 2.8k and that bugs the hell out of me. This is a full 2.5 system from the PLM header to the back box.
Shot of the CIA
I have also got the sol some new boots as traction on the ITR 15” wheels is now a problem, so I got some Wedssport SA90’s 16” 8J unfortunately they came with 225 50 16 tyres that were way to big for the sol and I am waiting for my new Hankook tyres to turn up so I can get them fitted. I have gone for 215 40 16 after a test fit proved they were the best solution. The fit is very tight and the spacers were no longer required as when they were on it looked like the A-Team van lol
Spacer off lol
Some decent sized rubber on one of the rims to test fit as the other tyres were just huge ( had been on a Skyline before).
Really that’s all there is for now the next thing to fit is the electric power steering as I cannot live without on the sol it’s a nightmare to be honest. So I have a saxo/107 electric pump and need to find space to fit it and plumb it in so that’s one for the summer when its warmer.
Oh wait we did some flow tests on a OEM ATR inlet against a bored out OEM H22A inlet manifold with a plenum plate in place to see what the flow rate differences were and the stock H22A with the plenum in flowed much better and more air when compaired to the ATR intake, so if anyone is looking to upgrade from our tests the OEM intake with a bit of work is much better. Please don’t ask me a lot of technical stuff on this as it was a couple of month ago and honestly I have forgotten as this is not an area I understand greatly if I can find the flow rates and details I will post the for anyone interested.
http://www.delsoluk.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 37&t=31623
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
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Excellent stuff, glad it's running right can't believe the timing was still slightly out!
That's very interesting about a modified lude intake being better than an ATR one... What mods had been done to achieve that?
And he's a bit more accurate at finding TDC than I have ever bothered being... Watching a long screwdriver bobbing up and down in the spark plug hole ftw!
That's very interesting about a modified lude intake being better than an ATR one... What mods had been done to achieve that?
And he's a bit more accurate at finding TDC than I have ever bothered being... Watching a long screwdriver bobbing up and down in the spark plug hole ftw!
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looks like a spacer on the intake i have seen them on the bay of evil
bristol_bb4 wrote:ahhh a 5th gen, i love 5th gens
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Re: Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B (UPDATE 2016)
morning guys thanks for the comments and i know i know you both helped so much last year and we were dam sure we checked we had a bloody check list lol so i just do not know why it ended up being a tooth out but we did learn something as we did not know the crank had a lining up mark on there and i even went back through the manual and it doesn't mention it on there either (or at least on the manual we had lol, its off in the bin).
so the idea with the intakes is based on the work 220Racing has done in the states http://store.220racing.net/h22-h2b
they have a good site and youtube channel showing there work off and the benefits etc and they sell the plenum spacers. like any good site even though we know the guy they dont and wont post the test results as its there hard earned time and money invested in that research so we decided to do something very similar and test for ourselves to see if it flows better. now there really is no way to test results from different machines as they will be different so we will use EvilTunings machine going forward so we have some consistency.
so based on there scale we have done stage 3 port and polish on the intake (it still need some work when tested we through it on early as we were heading up there to pick my car up).
i have asked my firends if they can remember the flow tests results i will post them up, we are using this stage 3 on a engine we are building for the strip we are hoping to get 260N/A we sall see......
so the idea with the intakes is based on the work 220Racing has done in the states http://store.220racing.net/h22-h2b
they have a good site and youtube channel showing there work off and the benefits etc and they sell the plenum spacers. like any good site even though we know the guy they dont and wont post the test results as its there hard earned time and money invested in that research so we decided to do something very similar and test for ourselves to see if it flows better. now there really is no way to test results from different machines as they will be different so we will use EvilTunings machine going forward so we have some consistency.
so based on there scale we have done stage 3 port and polish on the intake (it still need some work when tested we through it on early as we were heading up there to pick my car up).
i have asked my firends if they can remember the flow tests results i will post them up, we are using this stage 3 on a engine we are building for the strip we are hoping to get 260N/A we sall see......
http://www.delsoluk.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 37&t=31623
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
Re: Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B (UPDATE 2016)
got them the ATR was 190 CFM and the H22A stage 3 was 209 CFM but it did need some more work on it as a lot of the edges were still very rough, when its finished we will get it tested again.
we are also making our own exhaust manifold which is proving to be fun and again we will test that once done thats all tacked up ready to go for welding in the next week.
we are also making our own exhaust manifold which is proving to be fun and again we will test that once done thats all tacked up ready to go for welding in the next week.
http://www.delsoluk.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 37&t=31623
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
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Re: Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B (UPDATE 2016)
yeah i think thats the basic theory behind it we will see if it works when we test later in the year.
http://www.delsoluk.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 37&t=31623
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
Re: Hoppi's Del Sol SiR going H2B (UPDATE 2016)
cheers buddy.
http://www.delsoluk.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 37&t=31623
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....
http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/12 ... reimprove/
Big to do list for summer 2014 hopefully i can get the Sol to JAE....